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February 01, 2007

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smiles

Chad,

Thanks so much for your hard labor, as you are plowing through this book with such diligence and honor. Your commentary on this section was more of a devotion to me this morning, being that it was so crucial in guiding my heart in preparation for the day that is ahead of me today, which, by God's immense grace, will be a glorious day.

There was one thing that I read, that I am not sure if I can agree with. It's not a major point you made, but a small statement you made along the way. Here's what you said. The part I capitalize is the part I am questioning, and will be thinking about more today:

"We would probably all agree that it takes a certain kind of person to lead and THIS IS NOT A POSITION THAT MANY PEOPLE ASPIRE TO."

Briefly, here are some of the things that run through my mind, as I think about this...

- If not many people aspire to become teachers, how come there is a need for the opening words of this chapter? Oftentimes in the Scripture, I see God pointing things out/giving us direction, for the very reason that we tend to lean the opposite way of where the Scripture points us. For example... Phil.2:3 tells us to "do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind let each of you regard one another as more important than himself." This is there because it's not at all the person that we naturally aspire to be.

- We all struggle with being unteachable. Some way more than others, but we all sin in this way sometimes. When we are being unteachable, aren't we wanting to be the teacher, instead of the pupil being taught?

I agree so much that most people don't have a desire to bear the responsibility that comes along with being a teacher, but I think this fits into the bigger picture of the condition of man, which causes us to want all freedom and none of the responsibilities that comes along with freedom. I would say that the responsibility of incurring a stricter judgment is what people don't want, but that we all have a measure of aspiration to be teachers. We are all sinful, and part of that sinfulness is that we tend to find more satisfaction in knowing that we were heard by someone else, rather than in hearing others, especially when learning is involved in the situation. It never hurts when we know that someone has learned something from us, but it oftentimes hurts when we learn from others, because it wars against our prideful hearts.

This is where true teachers need to continually guard their hearts. Many a good teacher has fallen under the heavy sin of pride, as they have become unteachable, forgetting that, if it were not for the grace of God, they would have nothing good to teach anyone or the ability to teach it. They begin teaching from a position of pride, thinking more highly of themselves then they ought, and more lowly of the pupils then they ought. The only thing I appreciate about these situations is that God, always in His perfect time, is always faithful to give the big-headed teacher a good, hard, loving, sovereign celestial spanking! Boy am I glad He does that... I just hope that I would be faithful in seeking humility, so that I don't become that teacher! Without grace, I will become that man. Lord, please keep us all from going into that sinful place!

Chad, please don't feel like I think poorly of your commentary. The contrary is true. I think very highly of what God is using you to put together for the building up up His beloved Church. I know you enough to know that you want to be challenged, not just one that challenges. In other words, I know that you are teachable, and willing to receive comments that are both in agreement and disagreement to the thinks you say. I don't insist that I'm right in anything that I've stated above. Like I said, I will be thinking more about this, and I trust that God will lead me toward His truth.

I put this in the comment section on purpose, rather than in a personal email. I did it for the sake of inspiring good conversation, not to cause dissension...

To all of Oasis... Please hear me on this: Our god has placed very loving and wise leaders to shepherd Oasis and tend to your true needs. I have studied many, many churches over the last 9+ years, and very few actually encourage me to the point of great excitement. Oasis does. The main reason for that is because of the leaders that God has placed there. I don't know everyone there that is honored as an elder or leader, but I know that Chad and Chris are very, very respectable, honorable and trustworthy men, that you can certainly trust to lead you in a God-ward direction. I implore all of you to trust all of their leadership decisions, and all of their teachings at Oasis. These brothers teach the truths of Bible with such faithfulness. These men are an extremely rare gift to have. Very, very few churches have people leading them, that love God and the people like Chad and Chris do. I'll finish this encouragement by pointing to the Scripture, where it gives the same exhortation and the why...

"Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they keep watch over your souls, as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for YOU."

Obey this, Oasis, for the glory of God, for the joy of those who are laboring hard to protect your souls, and for your own eternal profit.

I love you all with a passion for many blessings to pour into your lives. May God lead you all into the grace of full obedience to His Living Word, that He may be glorified through you, and that His blessings may overflow in your lives.

smiles

Chris Stewart

Smiles, your heart is so transparent and humble in your post. The questions you have raised are very good ones, and I know Chad will consider them with the grace and love with which you gave them. You have such a way of being so encouraging even when you ask a question or have a differing opinion. Thank you for your example to us.

Chad, I know how true these words are: "...if you desire to teach then you must first understand the full weightiness of what it means to teach God’s word to others. If you take it lightly then you could do immeasurable amounts of damage even if you have the best of intentions."

One of the reasons why I am so thankful to God for sending me on the journey of church planting is because of what it has expected of me. One of the "teaching" commitments I made at the beginning of the Oasis plant was that we would be a Word taught church. Now, that doesn't mean that at the beginning I had the same reverence for the Word of God as I do today, or that I felt the weightiness of the task like I feel today. It just means that God, in His sovereign wisdom, set me on a path that has brought me to recognize what is now the greatest fear of my life: misrepresenting His Word.

For years I taught the Scriptures casually. I entertained people with clever and funny public speaking with a Bible verse or two to back up what I was saying. Or, when I did preach an entire chapter or book at a time, I was never thorough in my quest for truth. I was, however, thorough in my quest for pragmatism--perhaps the greatest downfall of American Christianity today. Pragmatism says, "What does the text mean to me? It has to make perfect sense to me, and right now!" I was party to the church culture that preferred a man-sized God. And so I preached a man-sized God.

But in just four years of trying to be true to the Scriptures as the final authority in all things, God has brought me on a fantastic journey, and I know we have only just begun. I am nowhere NEAR having arrived! But I am certainly enjoying the ride.

Thanks for your commentaries brothers. And thanks for encouraging me!

Chad

I first want to thank you Smiles for taking time to give me the eye on my words that I know I so desperately need from others. Your words, every one of them, were wonderful to hear and they were every bit encouraging and strengthening. I praise God that he has connected us in a way that teaches us about the bigger perspective of Him. Let me address your thoughts first because they have generated more thoughts in me.

Anyone reading this must understand that different perspectives on a statement are crucial to hear. It’s one of the only ways that we get to the greater truth behind any thought or word that is written or spoken. Smiles has brought to bear something I didn’t consider at the particular time that I was in my stream of thought. However, he makes a great point and together (Smiles will help me with this) I think we’re all going to see something that is very vital to understand.

The statement being discussed here is this: "We would probably all agree that it takes a certain kind of person to lead and THIS IS NOT A POSITION THAT MANY PEOPLE ASPIRE TO." We know that it takes a certain kind of person to lead. But if you look at the last part of what I wrote, it has the definite potential to be deceiving. I didn’t see that at the time but I certainly see it now. When I said, “…this is not a position that many people aspire to,” I didn’t clearly articulate what I meant. So let me first expound on that thought. My thinking when I wrote this revolved around the reluctancy we often see in people to step up into leadership roles. I’m sure you’ve seen this scenario a thousand times. You might hear someone prattling on about how they could this or that so much better than someone else who is currently a leader but the moment you say, “Why don’t you seek their job, or a job like theirs, and make all those changes,” you usually see that person wilt. It’s not common, although it does happen occasionally, that someone says, “Yeah…I might just do that.” Sports are a perfect example of what I’m talking about. You always have a lot of coaches in the crowd. I teach in an area of the world where sports are a BIG, BIG, BIG, deal. Their teams have traditionally experienced much success. So at home games you see a lot of these former athletic juggernauts coaching away in the crowd. They always know what play to run. They always know what kid to give the ball to. They always know what kind of line-up changes to make but the funny thing is, you never see them take a leadership position on the coaching staff of any given sport. Why? There could be any multitude of reasons but in general I think the reason is this: Many people would rather stand on the sidelines and critique the decisions rather than be the one responsible for the decisions. I’m not saying that this is the only reason that we see reluctancy in individuals to step up into leadership roles but it is one example that I have seen play itself out many times in my own life. People can be reluctant to lead or teach because of a lack of self-confidence, an uncertainty about the calling in their life, a worry about other commitments in their life, or a whole host of other possibilities. In retrospect the statement, “this is not a position that many people aspire to,” was an unnecessary statement. I think it would have been clear enough to say that we all know it takes a certain kind of person to lead. I hope my “extra” words now better reveal where my mind was at when I wrote them. What I want to focus on next is a point that Smiles revealed to us that is critical for us all to consider a little further.

I’m going to quote a critical statement that Smiles made. There is so much wisdom in what you are about to read so please read it carefully.

“- If not many people aspire to become teachers, how come there is a need for the opening words of this chapter? Oftentimes in the Scripture, I see God pointing things out/giving us direction, for the very reason that we tend to lean the opposite way of where the Scripture points us. For example... Phil.2:3 tells us to "do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind let each of you regard one another as more important than himself." This is there because it's not at all the person that we naturally aspire to be.”

“- We all struggle with being unteachable. Some way more than others, but we all sin in this way sometimes. When we are being unteachable, aren't we wanting to be the teacher, instead of the pupil being taught?”

The concept that you must not miss here is “being unteachable”. I know exactly what Smiles is talking about here because for so long I was very unteachable. I needed Phil 2:3 so badly through my late teens up to my mid 20’s. I did so many things from selfish, empty conceit. I regarded myself in a much higher way than I deserved. I didn’t naturally aspire to be humble. I did not naturally aspire to regard the people around me as more important than myself. I did not aspire to do things for unselfish reasons. In those ways I was a filthy human being. I wonder now how anyone could have stood to be around me in those days. These were the effects of refusing to be unteachable. I had so many opinions about God that were not Biblically founded. I made a farce of God in my mind and what tremendous sin that was.
We do, at one time or another, aspire to be teachers in all the wrong ways. You (I’m speaking generally to anyone who might be reading this) may say to yourself, “Chad…I’ve never wanted to be a teacher in my life.” But that’s not necessarily true. If you’ve ever refused to be teachable, you’ve aspired to be a teacher. If you refuse to even consider another’s point of view, you’re aspiring to be a teacher. If you have no interest in humbling yourself in the meekness of wisdom so that your heart could be open to learn and trust, then you are aspiring to be a teacher in all the wrong ways. We must all chop ourselves down a notch to a place of great humility to first worship, serve, and honor God as he commands us. We must maintain that posture if we truly want to learn about the great riches of His grace. God will show his great glory in many ways. He may use things in nature, he may use natural phenomenon, he may use supernatural phenomenon, he may use friends, he may use family, he may use strangers…HE COULD USE ANYTHING! There is nothing that prohibits God from displaying His own greatness and depth. Smiles, I hope that feeds well into the thought that I quoted you on.

I encourage all of you to go back over what Smiles wrote. God gave Him a powerful word that we must all latch onto. Not only does it help each of us better understand this portion of James, but it also gives us a more proper glimpse of the freedom that God gives us and the great responsibilities he has privileged us with. I praise God that He, in His vast mercy, has given us the chance to have a responsibility inside of the freedom that He designed for those whom He has conformed to the image of His son. Thank you God for your righteousness and the way you reveal it to us.

My love for brothers like Smiles and Chris runs beyond the scope of words. God never ceases to amaze me in the way that He sharpens His people with one another. Smiles and Chris have both given us something here so vital in their thoughts. I urge you, whoever you are, to chime in so that we could all continue to be teachable and grow from the wisdom God has placed in each of us.

All my love….

chad

smiles

Chad,

Hey, man, those are great thoughts about leadership! Your thinking about people wanting to be sideline coaches ONLY is great stuff, and I so much agree with you on that. It's so true that, in that way, very, very few people want to be leaders. Thanks for sharing these thoughts. I wasn't thinking about that at all when I commented. I learned a lot with those words. I believe that God wants me to search my heart to see if there is any such wicked way within me. I pray that He reveals this sin to me, if it is there, and if so, I pray for the grace of repentance.

This is also a great lesson for people being discipled and people discipling others for the work of the ministry.

I am thinking of two awesome things about my pastor right this second. One is something he told me earlier on in our relationship, and one is a way that he approaches discipleship:

What he said to me once, that I hope to never forget, is this (it was in the context of ministry, and people aspiring to become leaders): "Many men are willing, but very few are faithful." One of the things that was being implied when he said that is that willingness is a good thing, but willingness without faithfulness is of no value. Given the knowledge of the full conversation we were having, he was also implying that it is better to not be willing if you're not going to be faithful, because people that express a willingness to do something excite the person/people that would be pouring themselves out to prepare them to accomplish what they say they are willing to do... but when they demonstrate to be unfaithful in the same area that they said they are willing, the excitement gets stolen. The people who poured themselves out to help the willing individual is burdened with disappointed, especially if the pastor/teacher in the picture invested a lot of himself into the person that was unfaithful. This is one of the many reasons why the Scripture encourages us to be found faithful.

Having been given this wisdom, my pastor responds with wisdom. He disciples people slowly. He does not try to lead people away from trials, but through them. He knows that God allows trials to refine us, to strengthen us, for the proofing of our faith. Approaching discipleship this way will reveal in time who is merely willing and who can be trusted as someone that others can rely upon when they are in need.

One of the things that Pastor Derk will have passed on to me, when I find myself making disciples, is what he calls "the Elijah principal." Remember when Elijah kept having water poured on the alter, doing everything he could to make it impossible for the alter to burn, knowing that if God wanted it to catch fire, there would be nothing that man could do to stop it? (1 Kings 18). Derk operates this way in his discipling of men, and it is so wise, because it ensures that the only men who are actually sent out to do the work of the ministry have truly been raised up by God, by means that only He could accomplish. This doesn't always feel good to the one being raised up, but then again, those that are sent out with the mindset that ministry is all about feeling good are bound to drown when the waters of real-life ministry get poured on. I so appreciate this wisdom from my pastor. It/he is a true blessing from God.

Chad, thanks for continuing to stir my thoughts. You encourage me at least as much as I encourage you, trust me. I really love you, my brother and friend.

smiles

Ronli

Great work.

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